LordOderus is right - the problem that Winstonfield_Pennypacker doesn't seem to realize is that in an ER, they cannot refuse you care, but that doesn't mean it's free. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT (or declare bankruptcy). Now, a social worker (either gov't employed or working for the hospital) will reduce certain fees and setup a payment plan, but it can be an astronomical debt.
My brother lives in a rural area, is a self-employed small business owner, and cannot afford health insurance. A few years ago, he had a cyst in his throat that required surgery, otherwise he would suffocate and die within a day. The local hospital did not have the facilities to do the surgery so he had to be taken to the city. 100-mile ambulance ride was > $10,000. (the helicopter ride would have been triple that, so he opted for ambulance). The surgery (not that complicated, probably took the actual surgeon 15 minutes, 2 hour total with setup/prep by the techs in the OR) was > $70,000. You can buy a house for that.
So, with some bad luck, you can get sick and get yourself into a lot of debt, or you can choose the republican plan - TO DIE QUICKLY.
If he had health insurance, he could have gone earlier (at the point where it wasn't an emergency situation), or if not preventable with earlier treatment, at least the insurance would cover most of that $80k of expense.
And people also seem to think that "the public option" would be free - it wouldn't. you still have to pay for it. It's simply cheaper than private insurance for the same coverage. I don't think it would ever be as efficient as a single-payer system (such as in Canada), but it would help millions of people financially.
Honeestly, I don't think congress is doing enough. Just put in the public option, but don't make it mandatory to have health insurance, and all the naysayers (people like QM and WP) will have the FREEDOM to choose the plan they want. If they want to spend $500/month instead of $100, that's entirely up to them. Or they can spend $0, cross their fingers, and if there is a major problem go to the ER and get in debt.
(I just hope I never see a 1-800-SAFE-BODY commercial, starring Justin Case.)
>> ^quantumushroom: Because providing for a common defense is written into the Constitution, while taking care of citizens' every need (and want) is not.
Quill42 already addressed this issue but I wanted to put an exclamation point on it:
welfare: Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being
There's a lot of shit the government is involved in that I don't think it has any business being involved in, and I don't know how I feel about all of the ideas floating around as part of healthcare reform, but the idea that the government shouldn't have any interest in the health of its citizens is pretty stupid.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Not only is promoting the general welfare (ie. health, happiness and good fortune) of the citizens a power granted to the congress in the Constitution, but it's in the same fucking sentence as the one that grants funding a common defense, that you like so much.
cartilage (and all kinds of other crap) is what McDonalds chicken nuggets are made from. Yes it is edible, but the reason I don't eat cartilage is not because of what it's made from, but because of the texture. I agree with sme4r, I'm not gonna chomp on something that feels like a squishy rock. Call me wasteful...
^ that's a great video. I of course don't approve of 9/11, but I think the terrorists should've thrown all the planes at the Pentagon, wouldn't be as dramatic, but they deserve most of the blame.
So Kucinich's argument is "if government is wasting so much money on wars and bailouts, why can't it waste just a few more on healthcare?". Two wrongs don't make a right.
Congressman Alan Grayson Lists Number Of Dead Per District
My brother lives in a rural area, is a self-employed small business owner, and cannot afford health insurance. A few years ago, he had a cyst in his throat that required surgery, otherwise he would suffocate and die within a day. The local hospital did not have the facilities to do the surgery so he had to be taken to the city. 100-mile ambulance ride was > $10,000. (the helicopter ride would have been triple that, so he opted for ambulance). The surgery (not that complicated, probably took the actual surgeon 15 minutes, 2 hour total with setup/prep by the techs in the OR) was > $70,000. You can buy a house for that.
So, with some bad luck, you can get sick and get yourself into a lot of debt, or you can choose the republican plan - TO DIE QUICKLY.
If he had health insurance, he could have gone earlier (at the point where it wasn't an emergency situation), or if not preventable with earlier treatment, at least the insurance would cover most of that $80k of expense.
And people also seem to think that "the public option" would be free - it wouldn't. you still have to pay for it. It's simply cheaper than private insurance for the same coverage. I don't think it would ever be as efficient as a single-payer system (such as in Canada), but it would help millions of people financially.
Honeestly, I don't think congress is doing enough. Just put in the public option, but don't make it mandatory to have health insurance, and all the naysayers (people like QM and WP) will have the FREEDOM to choose the plan they want. If they want to spend $500/month instead of $100, that's entirely up to them. Or they can spend $0, cross their fingers, and if there is a major problem go to the ER and get in debt.
(I just hope I never see a 1-800-SAFE-BODY commercial, starring Justin Case.)
Truly horrifying self-made music video
Dennis Kucinich Raises a Valid Point on Health Care
Because providing for a common defense is written into the Constitution, while taking care of citizens' every need (and want) is not.
Quill42 already addressed this issue but I wanted to put an exclamation point on it:
welfare: Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being
There's a lot of shit the government is involved in that I don't think it has any business being involved in, and I don't know how I feel about all of the ideas floating around as part of healthcare reform, but the idea that the government shouldn't have any interest in the health of its citizens is pretty stupid.
Not only is promoting the general welfare (ie. health, happiness and good fortune) of the citizens a power granted to the congress in the Constitution, but it's in the same fucking sentence as the one that grants funding a common defense, that you like so much.
Shaquille O'Neal & Brendan Adams (7'4 feet tall 12 yrs. old)
Middle School Wide Receiver checks in at 7'4"
and here: http://www.videosift.com/video/Shaquille-O-Neal-Brendan-Adams-7-4-feet-tall-12-yrs-old
China Likes Bigger Boobs, Air Bewbs
Randy Newman Political Science live whistle test
Everything is everything
Whistles of Death
Neil Tyson: The world will NOT end in 2012
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Swat Team vs. Wall
Awesome way to eat a chicken wing: de-bone it first!
Oh, and I don't eat chicken feet either.
Dennis Kucinich Raises a Valid Point on Health Care
So Kucinich's argument is "if government is wasting so much money on wars and bailouts, why can't it waste just a few more on healthcare?". Two wrongs don't make a right.
Mr. Debt (wants to get you out of debt)
Dude was a huckster after all.
Bumped from 1st Class for Wearing a Jump Suit
come on people, he doesn't work for puma - represent!
know wot um sayin?
Don't Be A Jerk To Horses
World whistling champion whistles All Aboard!
Maru's Cat-sized Hamster Wheel!
That is some quality kitty play that tickles me and make me feel like warm pudding inside. Maru is by far my favorite Japanese cat evar.
That comment actually made me feel a little bit sick
Molly Sims Dramatic Acting Reel
Umm.. she looks like a skeleton skull?